which HVP warheads other than the kinetic (inert) version actually existThere is a version of warhead with bursting charge of up to 2 lb - see section 2.1.2 Test Description on page 2-5 in this document:Advanced_Gunfire_Draft EA_FONSI.pdf. The projectile will simply bury itself in the "This is not a WWII era fuze that is set mechanically. Looks like the navy tested the HVP for the 5" gun. It is also unknown whether the entire 15 lbs My impression is There's a price to be paid. automated ammo handling system would have to rebuilt or the HVP would have to The launch at 45 degrees gives the maximum range. If we bring back rail-gun, we might be able to current adjusted to launch all sorts munition, a matter of projectile/sabot packaging. lb compares favorably to the 5” gun round burst charge of around 8 lbs, the 5” effects. CNO, just an FYI, typical HVP projectile firing at range is basically vertical. But that may be asking too much. That is a good thing given how fantastically expensive most gun ammo -> missile by any other name are that the Pentagon thinks up. missiles, will the projectile be stopped, thereby converting all of its The AGS is 100% automated and works only with the LRLAP round. I suspect either approach would be prohibitively expensive. "Hypervelocity" refers to velocities in the range from a few kilometers per second to some tens of kilometers per second. Aside from the unique and non-standard barrel It would have to have a proximity fuze and be designed as an air burst munition. I don't know that any surface ship could safely operate one. There's a graphic with the different versions for Army, Marine, Navy versions of the HPV. "EV-22 providing mid course guidance over the horizon,"Your scenario postulates a LOT of radar capability in a package a fraction of the size of an E-2 radome. million dollars which is the same realm as a Standard missile. Thus, longer range missiles are kind of pointless.Of course, if we can establish some kind of long range targeting capability (like E-2 Hawkeye) then a longer range defensive missile would be helpful. damage effects versus a thin walled, uncontained burst. This is why the Navy has stated that they aren't even going to look for an LRLAP replacement.You need to read through the blog archives and come up to speed. Are they even installing AGS in the next two? pass through, like the bullet through paper, and convert only a portion of its The Navy plans to test a variety of weapons along the West Coast during a seven-year period, including what the The Seattle Times describes as a “projectile” flying at “seven times the speed of sound.” This is undoubtedly the Navy’s new Hyper Velocity Projectile, a hypersonic weapon designed to bombard enemy territory and shoot down enemy missiles. From the BAE product brochure (2), here are some projected firing rates The dangerous propellant in the ships could be removed and that space used for shells. observers have latched onto. to the paper target. wouldn’t be much of an explosion. projectile is a common, dart-like body that is fired from various weapons via My only general thought is that LOTS of weapons get proposed that sound awesome on paper but most never get past the paper study stage for a variety of reasons.Sorry I can't offer anything more definitive. Or drive rounds through the engine for a mobility kill. That warhead, I’d estimate the pK to be 1%-5%, at best. cause significant damage. I'm not an artillery guy so maybe I'm looking at this with only out-dated book knowledge:In the ship to ship scenario, not sure you need so much range. The Hyper Velocity Projectile (HVP) from BAE Systems is the latest fad that military observers have latched onto. expensive. I agree with you in relying on non existent and developmental weapons but there are some measures we could take today and that would involve greatly expanded ESSM Block 2 and SM-6 numbers. The large contact area produces resonances in the target that can detach large fragments (spalling) from the interior of the armor. developmental weapons. of its potential energy. because the bad guys won't notice that.....In the ship to shore scenario, again, not really sure you need so much range:1. I don't have the expert knowledge of what can or can't be done but it seems we need some kind of sensor placed high enough to at least provide warning of ASCMs. Railgun               10 rounds per paper did not offer enough resistance to the bullet to allow the bullet to The government is interested in next generation HVP warhead design/payload concepts for a notional 120 mm diameter projectile. "CNO, just an FYI, typical HVP projectile firing at range is basically vertical. Tell me what you come up with. But I don't see how an unguided HVP could possibly be effective, especially when fired from land-based 155mm guns.Personally, I think the whole thing is a lot of pie-in-the-sky hype, at the moment. It's only GPS and with those speed, can you hit a moving target and who did the targeting? Hint: calc the cost per engagement. ), and is a It is just not a practical, maneuvering projectile. That's the only way you can put such a small round close enough to the target to work. I have no reason to think it was based upon classified information, so thought I would mention it to you. To refresh, "rounds through the engine for a mobility kill"You're describing the golden bb. look at some specific aspects and features of the HVP. I don't 100% know that it can't but I've seen nothing to indicate that it can and simple logic strongly suggests that it can't. That is enough to accelerate a mass of approximately 45 pounds from zero to five thousand miles per hour in one one-hundredth of a second, Navy officials said. Now displays HDOP 0.8 accuracy within 100m, but given location is actually 25 nautical miles off; GPS display…"Maritime Executive - Mass GPS Spoofing Attack in Black Sea?The USAF recognise this and in the current major Red Flag exercise have been jamming the GPS signal over large areas of Nevada and south west during exercises so as to able to train in realistic conditions. My guess is some form of command guidance. It’s a case of exact hit or no damage. I haven't seen any specifics on the anti-missile HVP. The impactor, as well as the surface it hits, can undergo temporary liquefaction. Perhaps this quote from the post tickled the reader in you? There has been much controversy over pyrophoric depleted uranium rounds, with some feeling that radiological weapons should not be used.https://www.army-technology.com/projects/losat/, Another weapon that could fire the HVP is the Utron CLGG (Combustion Light Gas Gun). projectile to “dump” some potential energy but would the cumulative effect be This is especially relevant in the field of space exploration and military use of space, where hypervelocity impacts (e.g. Similarly, an HVP 5" gun, for example, would have to be reprogrammed to fire in anti-surface mode. Actually, they are pretty damn close to an airburst round. the bullet had POTENTIAL energy that wasn’t converted to actual kinetic energy If they have advanced 50 to 100 miles inside enemy territory,I think we can assume ground artillery is following some what behind the advance? The HVP is claimed to be guided but that’s true only in a limited The rate of fire is 10-rounds per minute, developers explained at last years' briefing. The HVP can China Conducts New Hypersonic Weapon Test, Russia Tests Yet Another Hypersonic Weapon, China Successfully Tests Hypersonic Weapon System, Hypersonic Weapon Defense Will Be Hard and Expensi, Mysterious Killer Whales Found After 60 Years. change course. From the BAE product brochure (2), here are some projected ranges from Here's a more general Utron CLGG information.https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2008/gun_missile/6349KruczynskiDavid.pdf. faster an object moves, the slower and harder it is to alter its course. The "Seapower" report does advocate near term measures to change the loadouts of DDGs to emphasize greater numbers of ESSM for the 10-30 mile 'medium range' zone as being most cost effective for ASCM defense though for escort role, some numbers of longer ranging SM-2s, of which there are a few thousands in inventory as better for killing ASCMs attacking escorted vessels, especially as USN plans to fit the ESSM active radar seekers to missiles undergoing regular planned refurbishment in a few years. I'm amazed at how little people discuss this gun that was fully developed back in 2006. If we could achieve that kind of performance from the size radar that can fit on a V-22, wouldn't we have already stopped building E-2's and/or started building them with this magic mini-radar? It must hit to kill. Of  course, one could imagine using a HVP with a If you mean "some" other function then it wouldn't be all that helpful because the other functions are much lesser ones - in fact, I'm not sure what other function you would mean that would be worth the effort.We could always put a much smaller radar on a drone but then we'd have much less capability and, besides, we already have that in the form of Fire Scout helos.A tilt rotor has to have specially reinforced and insulated decks to operate off amphibs plus it requires a large deck area to operate safely. Presumably HVP is flying fast enough that the missile doesn't have a lot of time for maneuvering.I'm speculating. Velocity Projectile (HVP) from BAE Systems is the latest fad that military You might get just as much utility out of a 20NM 8' gun if you could develop one, and not need all the whizbang stuff. "I’m grossly simplifying some physics here for sake of illustration"I clearly acknowledged that I was abusing the pure physics in favor of conveying the concept.What I meant to say was exactly what I said with a suitable disclaimer included.Read the post. This may be possible with existing technology. rounds always show the damage done to targets that are several inches to many That's where 200+ mile detection ranges come from. They're going for a guided version of HVP for this role. The HVP is fired at Mach 3 and can travel a distance of approximately 30 nautical miles. Personally, without a proximity fuzed With each round having an effective 50M radius kill box (as a 4mm tungsten bb at mach 7 has as much energy as a .300 win mag) with ~4k bb. do. This HVGP could even target large surface ships such as aircraft carriers. suspect, though, that if a HVP were fired at a ship, it would pass straight Right now its more brochure than weapon. "High velocity tank sabot rounds have a small hole otside an enemy tank but create significant spelling inside. Tired of reality? If so, feel free to add information An EV-22 has been proposed to gift big deck amphibious vessels with organic AEW and maybe some OTH anti air targeting might be possible. If we were to place that functionality into a drone, the drone would be size of the E-2 and we wouldn't be able to operate it from anything other than a carrier in which case we already have E-2s. Unless you can find a statement to the contrary, this has been covered repeatedly. conventional 5' guns? Most attention on guided long-range shells is focused on 127 mm because of the cost-insensitivity of the USN. That means that if fired at or below the waterline you could expose multiple interior sections to flooding. "At the risk of stepping outside my field of knowledge, you're describing a very specialized, purpose designed tank round, the HESH/HEP. After burnout, ESSM is a Mach 4+, ~3-400lb "projectile" that is plenty maneuverable. Given the immense size of a ship compared to the diameter of a HVP, the odds on hitting an absolutely vital piece of equipment are slim but, hey, that's what the golden bb is. In the meantime, we need cheaper defenses that actually work in the near term. So you can get a maybe a few rounds of support on a real hard, deep buried bunker? The missile traveling at high subsonic speeds, for example, would be far more While explosive-powered military guns cannot readily achieve a muzzle velocity of more than ≈2 km/s, railguns can readily exceed 3 km/s. I have no idea what the wall thickness of the It's telling that the Navy has opted not to pursue any LRLAP alternative. There's an off-the-shelf solution; the Italian Volcano munition. I would hope to extend the range that a fire control quality track to go out to no more than 50 miles to enable engage on remote OTH. The Seattle Times also writes that proposed Navy activities include, “testing torpedoes to firing projectiles from a gun into the sea at seven times the speed of sound, to piloting mine-detecting undersea drones, deploying underwater sonar and exploding up to 1,000 pound bombs at sea.”. That being said it does look applied to regular guns to be a comparatively inexpensive ideal that adds some capability and possibly more. The current cost estimate is $86,000 per be fired from any gun, travel several times around the Earth, has a speed of Try these fictional posts: Here are some posts that ComNavOps considers to be the best in terms of information presented, originality, and relevance. I do agree with the Seapower report recommendation to emphasize ESSM but not for the reasons they do. target. So, if you're not detecting (meaning target lock, not just occasional detection hits) at least 50+ miles then you aren't gaining a significant benefit. I'm pretty sure not.In short, you're asking A LOT from a V-22 with a mini-radar (relative to an E-2)! How we test gear. Am I mistaken in that? Such a "frangible" HVP could have significant behind-hull effects in a ship, especially if coupled with an incendiary element. The imp… For every $100,000 projectile you put in the Burke's magazine, you have to remove one $1000 (I don't know what they cost) projectile. be packaged in an exact duplicate of the LRLAP round – doable, presumably, but It doesn't have to be mach-7 HPV all the time. Run the calcs using whatever conditions you think realistic and let me know what you find. effects and shrapnel. I thought 50 or 40 miles might be achievable on a hypothetical EV-22 as AESA radars have very high performance in a small package. An HVP would act more like an APFSDS than a HEP. How many 'VT' 5-inch fuses were produced during WW2 for use in the Pacific? The RN is fitting AESA panels and consoles and systems in a roll on-roll-off kit for it's AEW AW101 Merlin helicopters which gross 28,000lbs. It also puts a limit on a muzzle velocity of HVP from a powder gun - 1300 m/s (Mach 3.82). convert its potential energy into kinetic energy on the target. I suppose you could launch defensive missiles blindly into an area and hope that one finds a target but barring incredible good luck you're just going to be throwing muti-million dollar missiles away and depleting your inventory for little or no gain. That's my concern with cost.I have absolutely no problem with using HVP projectiles if tests show they're effective. "should be compatible to AGS chamber and barrel (though maybe not to its loading mechanism)."No. OldNick wrote: popeye1 "I like the idea of 5" gun with HVP (hyper velocity projectile) giving a range of 40 miles" HVP is a 15 pound solid with no explosive content, a normal 5 inch shell is 70 pounds with explosive, and would guess need to fire at 5,000+ fps (normal shell fired at less than 3,000 fps), barrel will be toast after firing ~ 100+ rounds due the fantastic … APFSDS) rather than using conventional propellants. Hence, my belief that engagements will generally begin at 20 miles. The main limiter is really the railgun reliability. Consider the example No results or showy video release however or what they shot at. However, I'm dubious that even a Hawkeye is going to be able to get targeting quality data on sea skimming anti-ship missiles at any significant range. It is well worth unable to determine which HVP warheads other than the kinetic (inert) version That is an unproven claim, at the moment. actually exists versus what is just proposed or planned. I've not heard of it but I also don't follow land warfare that closely. The guidance is GPS and is of the AGS which seems to preclude any round other than the LRLAP, the entire Bell, however, is developing a naval variant of it's new tilt rotor, the V-280 Valor that is compatible with DDG hangars with folded size to fit in the MH-60R/S space. There is absolutely no data for actual kill probabilities. Those 20 HVP projectiles that were fired? sheet, as is typical of a modern ship? When we start talking about a small cruise missile with a very tiny frontal cross section, flying at wave top height, in wave clutter, you'll notice that the manufacturers are suddenly quiet about claims. drastically limits the magnitude of the explosive effect. limited use in general bombardment and useless for suppressive fire (one of the . This necessitates a sophisticated, miniature radar for proximity sensing and electronics/computers to communicate and control the workings of the projectile. "Straight forward" is a very relative term that the Navy consistently manages to screw up!The larger issue is the ammo handling. Let’s look a bit closer and see where the It needs a slip ring anyway, so the rifling is no problem. The US Naval Institute reports that during an unclassified exercise as part of RIMPAC USS Dewey fired 20 hyper velocity projectiles (HVP). This is a difficult issue to quantify. 28 lbs. Yes, the E-2 can (can it really? That will up the $$. This is still much less I've not been able to find any. In explosive warhead could be developed that would enable proximity fuzed Defense offers an example in which each HVP is assumed to have a kill Could it really be that expensive? FFG is to be able to use such active homing SM-2s with their range of 90 miles vs. the 28 miles of the ESSMs and since strike length VLS is required, a few SM-6 rounds might be carried, if desired. They are designed to squash on impact before detonating. The HVP is a gun-launched, short range projectile designed to provide point defense against ballistic, cruise, and air defense missile threats. "Could it really be that expensive? ground. Let me know if you ever hear anything more about it. scenario, ballistic and non-maneuverable. The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force (JGSDF) plans to deploy a Hyper-Velocity Gliding Projectile (HVGP) in fiscal year 2026 as a new weapon to repel enemies that invade Japan's remote islands, from a safe distance. the ship. If true, the cost “benefit” is even less. "Some" means less than. If it works. greatly appreciated. That takes moving land targets or aerial targets due to the extreme speed of the The HVP is a guided projectile with a max range of about 80 kilometers and a top speed of Mach 7.3. This approach might allow the rail gun hypervelocity projectile to fire a 5,000-mile and hour projectile from a wider range of existing maritime and land-based platforms such as deck-mounted Navy 5-inch guns and Army artillery systems. Of course, that cheap, inert round now becomes a much more expensive round and one of the main claimed benefits no longer exists! it could turn out to be more expensive over the course of an engagement. It was easy to find the information on the original missile system. is available for explosive or whether a significant portion would be devoted to Washington State officials say that planned firings of the new Hyper Velocity Projectile will harass killer whales, a federally protected marine mammal. through and cause relatively little damage. leaving behind only a hole the size of the projectile. a conventional gun as opposed to a rail gun. The OK, they might need it for that BUT again, for prompt, high level intensity, keep the bad guys heads down while we advance to take an objective, I don't see the current HPV as what is needed...my 2 cents. Here's a statement from a BAE/Leonardo press release:"The two companies anticipate offering new adaptations of Leonardo’s Vulcano ... in a variety of gun systems, including the BAE Systems-built Advanced Gun System (AGS)"It appears to be a proposed product that the Navy has chosen not to pursue and, at a quick look, I don't see any indication that BAE/Leonardo are pursuing it on their own.If you have information to the contrary, please share it. astute observer will note that the impressive videos of rail guns and HVP They're a long ways from a useful and effective munition. These are all things that would be wonderful for a bureau of ordinance to test. Additions will be Clark said BAE could offer a 155 mm, or 6-inch, version of its Hyper Velocity Projectile, which was developed for use in a new electronic railgun to be mounted on the Zumwalt-class destroyers. That's what the Aegis AAW engagement software does. The HVP is High velocity tank sabot rounds have a small hole otside an enemy tank but create significant spelling inside. sense. can be fired from the currently useless Zumwalt Advanced Gun System (AGS). The hyper velocity projectile can travel at speeds up to 2,000 meters per second, a speed which is about three times that of most existing weapons. round is a heavier walled shell which contains the burst and amplifies the Even if you don't agree with the authors, it makes for very interesting reading.It proposes changes in the loadouts of our destroyer/cruiser force which would decrease in force levels while increases the FFG/small combatants to 72 ships. Restoring American Seapower from CSBA.org suggests using HVP in air and missile defense role. A report from USNI News says the destroyer USS Dewey fired 20 of the experimental rounds from the barrel of its deck gun during the RIMPAC naval exercises. than, say, a Standard missile but only in a one to one comparison. Now, in an All of this "GPS equipment unable to obtain GPS signal intermittently since nearing coast of Novorossiysk, Russia. I'm not sure) possibly guide a single missile in a simplistic scenario but can it duplicate the function of the entire Aegis battle management software? would solve the problem of pass-through and provide localized damage I don't know booster performance but we have 9.5 feet of length to play with for boosted ESSM and I'm guessing that range might be more than doubled to perhaps 60 miles, and unlike SM-2, they could be quad paked also.SM-6 use instead of shooting down ASCMs at five or six million a pop would be used for killing aircraft before they can launch their ASCMs that better matches their high cost, limited numbers and 200 some mile ranges and using them in surface mode as high Mach 3.5 to attack surface ships before they can fire their ASCMs with similar use for Maritime Tomahawk, with it's questionable survivability, surface launched LRASM and NSM/JSM with better penetration abilities for killing ships before they can launch or killing them after launching which still takes out archers so at least they won't come back to try again as they are sunk or severely damaged.You have advocated more CIWS, four mounts per DDG. 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As of 2020, railguns have been researched as weapons utilising electromagnetic forces to impart a very high kinetic energy to a projectile (e.g. What do you consider to be significant range against a sea skimmer to be detected by an E-2D Hawkeye? Yes, we can calculate kinetic energy for the projectile but that’s only specific, hard target such as a building or hangar, the kinetic HVP will likely reality lies. leads one to ask whether there is any actual gain in damage effects over those Animal rights and marine conservation activists have long contended that the use of active sonar, which broadcasts powerful blasts of sound of up to 235 decibels to help detect enemy submarines, is dangerous and even lethal to underwater marine mammals. Naval analysis provided by ComNavOps, Commander - Naval Opinions. For defense, the medium range zone of 10-30 miles would comprise ESSMs, High Power Microwave, ECM, lasers when available, HVPs, with RAM/SeaRAM, CIWS guns and MAD-FIRES with it's guided projectiles fired from smaller guns in the 20-76mm range to defeat ASCMs with weapons less expensive per shot than SM-2 or SM-6 with active homing SM-2 to be redesignated SM-6 medium range while the two stage SM-6 would perhaps be labelled as SM-6 extended range. "Thomas, I fear that your desire has more hope than reality in it! > which HVP warheads other than the kinetic (inert) version actually existThere is a version of warhead with bursting charge of up to 2 lb - see section 2.1.2 Test Description on page 2-5 in this document:Advanced_Gunfire_Draft EA_FONSI.pdf. The projectile will simply bury itself in the "This is not a WWII era fuze that is set mechanically. Looks like the navy tested the HVP for the 5" gun. It is also unknown whether the entire 15 lbs My impression is There's a price to be paid. automated ammo handling system would have to rebuilt or the HVP would have to The launch at 45 degrees gives the maximum range. If we bring back rail-gun, we might be able to current adjusted to launch all sorts munition, a matter of projectile/sabot packaging. lb compares favorably to the 5” gun round burst charge of around 8 lbs, the 5” effects. CNO, just an FYI, typical HVP projectile firing at range is basically vertical. But that may be asking too much. That is a good thing given how fantastically expensive most gun ammo -> missile by any other name are that the Pentagon thinks up. missiles, will the projectile be stopped, thereby converting all of its The AGS is 100% automated and works only with the LRLAP round. I suspect either approach would be prohibitively expensive. "Hypervelocity" refers to velocities in the range from a few kilometers per second to some tens of kilometers per second. Aside from the unique and non-standard barrel It would have to have a proximity fuze and be designed as an air burst munition. I don't know that any surface ship could safely operate one. There's a graphic with the different versions for Army, Marine, Navy versions of the HPV. "EV-22 providing mid course guidance over the horizon,"Your scenario postulates a LOT of radar capability in a package a fraction of the size of an E-2 radome. million dollars which is the same realm as a Standard missile. Thus, longer range missiles are kind of pointless.Of course, if we can establish some kind of long range targeting capability (like E-2 Hawkeye) then a longer range defensive missile would be helpful. damage effects versus a thin walled, uncontained burst. This is why the Navy has stated that they aren't even going to look for an LRLAP replacement.You need to read through the blog archives and come up to speed. Are they even installing AGS in the next two? pass through, like the bullet through paper, and convert only a portion of its The Navy plans to test a variety of weapons along the West Coast during a seven-year period, including what the The Seattle Times describes as a “projectile” flying at “seven times the speed of sound.” This is undoubtedly the Navy’s new Hyper Velocity Projectile, a hypersonic weapon designed to bombard enemy territory and shoot down enemy missiles. From the BAE product brochure (2), here are some projected firing rates The dangerous propellant in the ships could be removed and that space used for shells. observers have latched onto. to the paper target. wouldn’t be much of an explosion. projectile is a common, dart-like body that is fired from various weapons via My only general thought is that LOTS of weapons get proposed that sound awesome on paper but most never get past the paper study stage for a variety of reasons.Sorry I can't offer anything more definitive. Or drive rounds through the engine for a mobility kill. That warhead, I’d estimate the pK to be 1%-5%, at best. cause significant damage. I'm not an artillery guy so maybe I'm looking at this with only out-dated book knowledge:In the ship to ship scenario, not sure you need so much range. The Hyper Velocity Projectile (HVP) from BAE Systems is the latest fad that military observers have latched onto. expensive. I agree with you in relying on non existent and developmental weapons but there are some measures we could take today and that would involve greatly expanded ESSM Block 2 and SM-6 numbers. The large contact area produces resonances in the target that can detach large fragments (spalling) from the interior of the armor. developmental weapons. of its potential energy. because the bad guys won't notice that.....In the ship to shore scenario, again, not really sure you need so much range:1. I don't have the expert knowledge of what can or can't be done but it seems we need some kind of sensor placed high enough to at least provide warning of ASCMs. Railgun               10 rounds per paper did not offer enough resistance to the bullet to allow the bullet to The government is interested in next generation HVP warhead design/payload concepts for a notional 120 mm diameter projectile. "CNO, just an FYI, typical HVP projectile firing at range is basically vertical. Tell me what you come up with. But I don't see how an unguided HVP could possibly be effective, especially when fired from land-based 155mm guns.Personally, I think the whole thing is a lot of pie-in-the-sky hype, at the moment. It's only GPS and with those speed, can you hit a moving target and who did the targeting? Hint: calc the cost per engagement. ), and is a It is just not a practical, maneuvering projectile. That's the only way you can put such a small round close enough to the target to work. I have no reason to think it was based upon classified information, so thought I would mention it to you. To refresh, "rounds through the engine for a mobility kill"You're describing the golden bb. look at some specific aspects and features of the HVP. I don't 100% know that it can't but I've seen nothing to indicate that it can and simple logic strongly suggests that it can't. That is enough to accelerate a mass of approximately 45 pounds from zero to five thousand miles per hour in one one-hundredth of a second, Navy officials said. Now displays HDOP 0.8 accuracy within 100m, but given location is actually 25 nautical miles off; GPS display…"Maritime Executive - Mass GPS Spoofing Attack in Black Sea?The USAF recognise this and in the current major Red Flag exercise have been jamming the GPS signal over large areas of Nevada and south west during exercises so as to able to train in realistic conditions. My guess is some form of command guidance. It’s a case of exact hit or no damage. I haven't seen any specifics on the anti-missile HVP. The impactor, as well as the surface it hits, can undergo temporary liquefaction. Perhaps this quote from the post tickled the reader in you? There has been much controversy over pyrophoric depleted uranium rounds, with some feeling that radiological weapons should not be used.https://www.army-technology.com/projects/losat/, Another weapon that could fire the HVP is the Utron CLGG (Combustion Light Gas Gun). projectile to “dump” some potential energy but would the cumulative effect be This is especially relevant in the field of space exploration and military use of space, where hypervelocity impacts (e.g. Similarly, an HVP 5" gun, for example, would have to be reprogrammed to fire in anti-surface mode. Actually, they are pretty damn close to an airburst round. the bullet had POTENTIAL energy that wasn’t converted to actual kinetic energy If they have advanced 50 to 100 miles inside enemy territory,I think we can assume ground artillery is following some what behind the advance? The HVP is claimed to be guided but that’s true only in a limited The rate of fire is 10-rounds per minute, developers explained at last years' briefing. The HVP can China Conducts New Hypersonic Weapon Test, Russia Tests Yet Another Hypersonic Weapon, China Successfully Tests Hypersonic Weapon System, Hypersonic Weapon Defense Will Be Hard and Expensi, Mysterious Killer Whales Found After 60 Years. change course. From the BAE product brochure (2), here are some projected ranges from Here's a more general Utron CLGG information.https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2008/gun_missile/6349KruczynskiDavid.pdf. faster an object moves, the slower and harder it is to alter its course. The "Seapower" report does advocate near term measures to change the loadouts of DDGs to emphasize greater numbers of ESSM for the 10-30 mile 'medium range' zone as being most cost effective for ASCM defense though for escort role, some numbers of longer ranging SM-2s, of which there are a few thousands in inventory as better for killing ASCMs attacking escorted vessels, especially as USN plans to fit the ESSM active radar seekers to missiles undergoing regular planned refurbishment in a few years. I'm amazed at how little people discuss this gun that was fully developed back in 2006. If we could achieve that kind of performance from the size radar that can fit on a V-22, wouldn't we have already stopped building E-2's and/or started building them with this magic mini-radar? It must hit to kill. Of  course, one could imagine using a HVP with a If you mean "some" other function then it wouldn't be all that helpful because the other functions are much lesser ones - in fact, I'm not sure what other function you would mean that would be worth the effort.We could always put a much smaller radar on a drone but then we'd have much less capability and, besides, we already have that in the form of Fire Scout helos.A tilt rotor has to have specially reinforced and insulated decks to operate off amphibs plus it requires a large deck area to operate safely. Presumably HVP is flying fast enough that the missile doesn't have a lot of time for maneuvering.I'm speculating. Velocity Projectile (HVP) from BAE Systems is the latest fad that military You might get just as much utility out of a 20NM 8' gun if you could develop one, and not need all the whizbang stuff. "I’m grossly simplifying some physics here for sake of illustration"I clearly acknowledged that I was abusing the pure physics in favor of conveying the concept.What I meant to say was exactly what I said with a suitable disclaimer included.Read the post. This may be possible with existing technology. rounds always show the damage done to targets that are several inches to many That's where 200+ mile detection ranges come from. They're going for a guided version of HVP for this role. The HVP is fired at Mach 3 and can travel a distance of approximately 30 nautical miles. Personally, without a proximity fuzed With each round having an effective 50M radius kill box (as a 4mm tungsten bb at mach 7 has as much energy as a .300 win mag) with ~4k bb. do. This HVGP could even target large surface ships such as aircraft carriers. suspect, though, that if a HVP were fired at a ship, it would pass straight Right now its more brochure than weapon. "High velocity tank sabot rounds have a small hole otside an enemy tank but create significant spelling inside. Tired of reality? If so, feel free to add information An EV-22 has been proposed to gift big deck amphibious vessels with organic AEW and maybe some OTH anti air targeting might be possible. If we were to place that functionality into a drone, the drone would be size of the E-2 and we wouldn't be able to operate it from anything other than a carrier in which case we already have E-2s. Unless you can find a statement to the contrary, this has been covered repeatedly. conventional 5' guns? Most attention on guided long-range shells is focused on 127 mm because of the cost-insensitivity of the USN. That means that if fired at or below the waterline you could expose multiple interior sections to flooding. "At the risk of stepping outside my field of knowledge, you're describing a very specialized, purpose designed tank round, the HESH/HEP. After burnout, ESSM is a Mach 4+, ~3-400lb "projectile" that is plenty maneuverable. Given the immense size of a ship compared to the diameter of a HVP, the odds on hitting an absolutely vital piece of equipment are slim but, hey, that's what the golden bb is. In the meantime, we need cheaper defenses that actually work in the near term. So you can get a maybe a few rounds of support on a real hard, deep buried bunker? The missile traveling at high subsonic speeds, for example, would be far more While explosive-powered military guns cannot readily achieve a muzzle velocity of more than ≈2 km/s, railguns can readily exceed 3 km/s. I have no idea what the wall thickness of the It's telling that the Navy has opted not to pursue any LRLAP alternative. There's an off-the-shelf solution; the Italian Volcano munition. I would hope to extend the range that a fire control quality track to go out to no more than 50 miles to enable engage on remote OTH. The Seattle Times also writes that proposed Navy activities include, “testing torpedoes to firing projectiles from a gun into the sea at seven times the speed of sound, to piloting mine-detecting undersea drones, deploying underwater sonar and exploding up to 1,000 pound bombs at sea.”. That being said it does look applied to regular guns to be a comparatively inexpensive ideal that adds some capability and possibly more. The current cost estimate is $86,000 per be fired from any gun, travel several times around the Earth, has a speed of Try these fictional posts: Here are some posts that ComNavOps considers to be the best in terms of information presented, originality, and relevance. I do agree with the Seapower report recommendation to emphasize ESSM but not for the reasons they do. target. So, if you're not detecting (meaning target lock, not just occasional detection hits) at least 50+ miles then you aren't gaining a significant benefit. I'm pretty sure not.In short, you're asking A LOT from a V-22 with a mini-radar (relative to an E-2)! How we test gear. Am I mistaken in that? Such a "frangible" HVP could have significant behind-hull effects in a ship, especially if coupled with an incendiary element. The imp… For every $100,000 projectile you put in the Burke's magazine, you have to remove one $1000 (I don't know what they cost) projectile. be packaged in an exact duplicate of the LRLAP round – doable, presumably, but It doesn't have to be mach-7 HPV all the time. Run the calcs using whatever conditions you think realistic and let me know what you find. effects and shrapnel. I thought 50 or 40 miles might be achievable on a hypothetical EV-22 as AESA radars have very high performance in a small package. An HVP would act more like an APFSDS than a HEP. How many 'VT' 5-inch fuses were produced during WW2 for use in the Pacific? The RN is fitting AESA panels and consoles and systems in a roll on-roll-off kit for it's AEW AW101 Merlin helicopters which gross 28,000lbs. It also puts a limit on a muzzle velocity of HVP from a powder gun - 1300 m/s (Mach 3.82). convert its potential energy into kinetic energy on the target. I suppose you could launch defensive missiles blindly into an area and hope that one finds a target but barring incredible good luck you're just going to be throwing muti-million dollar missiles away and depleting your inventory for little or no gain. That's my concern with cost.I have absolutely no problem with using HVP projectiles if tests show they're effective. "should be compatible to AGS chamber and barrel (though maybe not to its loading mechanism)."No. OldNick wrote: popeye1 "I like the idea of 5" gun with HVP (hyper velocity projectile) giving a range of 40 miles" HVP is a 15 pound solid with no explosive content, a normal 5 inch shell is 70 pounds with explosive, and would guess need to fire at 5,000+ fps (normal shell fired at less than 3,000 fps), barrel will be toast after firing ~ 100+ rounds due the fantastic … APFSDS) rather than using conventional propellants. Hence, my belief that engagements will generally begin at 20 miles. The main limiter is really the railgun reliability. Consider the example No results or showy video release however or what they shot at. However, I'm dubious that even a Hawkeye is going to be able to get targeting quality data on sea skimming anti-ship missiles at any significant range. It is well worth unable to determine which HVP warheads other than the kinetic (inert) version That is an unproven claim, at the moment. actually exists versus what is just proposed or planned. I've not heard of it but I also don't follow land warfare that closely. The guidance is GPS and is of the AGS which seems to preclude any round other than the LRLAP, the entire Bell, however, is developing a naval variant of it's new tilt rotor, the V-280 Valor that is compatible with DDG hangars with folded size to fit in the MH-60R/S space. There is absolutely no data for actual kill probabilities. Those 20 HVP projectiles that were fired? sheet, as is typical of a modern ship? When we start talking about a small cruise missile with a very tiny frontal cross section, flying at wave top height, in wave clutter, you'll notice that the manufacturers are suddenly quiet about claims. drastically limits the magnitude of the explosive effect. limited use in general bombardment and useless for suppressive fire (one of the . This necessitates a sophisticated, miniature radar for proximity sensing and electronics/computers to communicate and control the workings of the projectile. "Straight forward" is a very relative term that the Navy consistently manages to screw up!The larger issue is the ammo handling. Let’s look a bit closer and see where the It needs a slip ring anyway, so the rifling is no problem. The US Naval Institute reports that during an unclassified exercise as part of RIMPAC USS Dewey fired 20 hyper velocity projectiles (HVP). This is a difficult issue to quantify. 28 lbs. Yes, the E-2 can (can it really? That will up the $$. This is still much less I've not been able to find any. In explosive warhead could be developed that would enable proximity fuzed Defense offers an example in which each HVP is assumed to have a kill Could it really be that expensive? FFG is to be able to use such active homing SM-2s with their range of 90 miles vs. the 28 miles of the ESSMs and since strike length VLS is required, a few SM-6 rounds might be carried, if desired. They are designed to squash on impact before detonating. The HVP is a gun-launched, short range projectile designed to provide point defense against ballistic, cruise, and air defense missile threats. "Could it really be that expensive? ground. Let me know if you ever hear anything more about it. scenario, ballistic and non-maneuverable. The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force (JGSDF) plans to deploy a Hyper-Velocity Gliding Projectile (HVGP) in fiscal year 2026 as a new weapon to repel enemies that invade Japan's remote islands, from a safe distance. the ship. If true, the cost “benefit” is even less. "Some" means less than. If it works. greatly appreciated. That takes moving land targets or aerial targets due to the extreme speed of the The HVP is a guided projectile with a max range of about 80 kilometers and a top speed of Mach 7.3. This approach might allow the rail gun hypervelocity projectile to fire a 5,000-mile and hour projectile from a wider range of existing maritime and land-based platforms such as deck-mounted Navy 5-inch guns and Army artillery systems. Of course, that cheap, inert round now becomes a much more expensive round and one of the main claimed benefits no longer exists! it could turn out to be more expensive over the course of an engagement. It was easy to find the information on the original missile system. is available for explosive or whether a significant portion would be devoted to Washington State officials say that planned firings of the new Hyper Velocity Projectile will harass killer whales, a federally protected marine mammal. through and cause relatively little damage. leaving behind only a hole the size of the projectile. a conventional gun as opposed to a rail gun. The OK, they might need it for that BUT again, for prompt, high level intensity, keep the bad guys heads down while we advance to take an objective, I don't see the current HPV as what is needed...my 2 cents. Here's a statement from a BAE/Leonardo press release:"The two companies anticipate offering new adaptations of Leonardo’s Vulcano ... in a variety of gun systems, including the BAE Systems-built Advanced Gun System (AGS)"It appears to be a proposed product that the Navy has chosen not to pursue and, at a quick look, I don't see any indication that BAE/Leonardo are pursuing it on their own.If you have information to the contrary, please share it. astute observer will note that the impressive videos of rail guns and HVP They're a long ways from a useful and effective munition. These are all things that would be wonderful for a bureau of ordinance to test. Additions will be Clark said BAE could offer a 155 mm, or 6-inch, version of its Hyper Velocity Projectile, which was developed for use in a new electronic railgun to be mounted on the Zumwalt-class destroyers. That's what the Aegis AAW engagement software does. The HVP is High velocity tank sabot rounds have a small hole otside an enemy tank but create significant spelling inside. sense. can be fired from the currently useless Zumwalt Advanced Gun System (AGS). The hyper velocity projectile can travel at speeds up to 2,000 meters per second, a speed which is about three times that of most existing weapons. round is a heavier walled shell which contains the burst and amplifies the Even if you don't agree with the authors, it makes for very interesting reading.It proposes changes in the loadouts of our destroyer/cruiser force which would decrease in force levels while increases the FFG/small combatants to 72 ships. Restoring American Seapower from CSBA.org suggests using HVP in air and missile defense role. A report from USNI News says the destroyer USS Dewey fired 20 of the experimental rounds from the barrel of its deck gun during the RIMPAC naval exercises. than, say, a Standard missile but only in a one to one comparison. Now, in an All of this "GPS equipment unable to obtain GPS signal intermittently since nearing coast of Novorossiysk, Russia. I'm not sure) possibly guide a single missile in a simplistic scenario but can it duplicate the function of the entire Aegis battle management software? would solve the problem of pass-through and provide localized damage I don't know booster performance but we have 9.5 feet of length to play with for boosted ESSM and I'm guessing that range might be more than doubled to perhaps 60 miles, and unlike SM-2, they could be quad paked also.SM-6 use instead of shooting down ASCMs at five or six million a pop would be used for killing aircraft before they can launch their ASCMs that better matches their high cost, limited numbers and 200 some mile ranges and using them in surface mode as high Mach 3.5 to attack surface ships before they can fire their ASCMs with similar use for Maritime Tomahawk, with it's questionable survivability, surface launched LRASM and NSM/JSM with better penetration abilities for killing ships before they can launch or killing them after launching which still takes out archers so at least they won't come back to try again as they are sunk or severely damaged.You have advocated more CIWS, four mounts per DDG. 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